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Ward 3 ANC Redistricting Task Force Meeting - Shared screen with speaker view
Abigail McLean (CM Cheh's Office)
06:13
1. Intro and Recap of Discussed Topics and Task Force Consensus (5-10 minutes)2. Map presentationsBarr Weiner - Public Attendee (10 minutes)Two Different ANC Boundary Maps Presented by Task Force Members (20 minutes)3. Public Comments (10 minutes)4. Task Force Discussion and Possible ANC Boundary Map Vote (10-15 minutes)5. Next StepsDeveloping SMD Boundaries and Task Force Assignments (5-10 minutes)First Look at Report Writing Format/Responsibilities (5-10 minutes)
Mike Rifer
07:00
Could you kindly repost the Agenda?
Abigail McLean (CM Cheh's Office)
07:11
1. Intro and Recap of Discussed Topics and Task Force Consensus (5-10 minutes)2. Map presentationsBarr Weiner - Public Attendee (10 minutes)Two Different ANC Boundary Maps Presented by Task Force Members (20 minutes)3. Public Comments (10 minutes)4. Task Force Discussion and Possible ANC Boundary Map Vote (10-15 minutes)5. Next StepsDeveloping SMD Boundaries and Task Force Assignments (5-10 minutes)First Look at Report Writing Format/Responsibilities (5-10 minutes)
Sondra Mills
07:11
I would like to speak. Sondra Mills
Chuck Elkins
07:12
I would like to speak after the alternatives have been presented.
Spence Spencer
09:10
Spence Spencer would like to speak after the alternatives are presented
Shelly Repp
09:17
I also would like to speak after the alternatives are presented.
WClarkson
09:24
I would like to speak after the alternatives are presented. Thank you!
Katherine Samolyk
09:27
I think I would like to speak but it is hard to tell since the public has not yet seen the proposals that you will be voting on
Nick Keenan
37:04
Do we know what the Ward 4 smd's are going to be?
Tricia Duncan
39:39
Nick- Ward for is going through the same process. But it will be the same boundary but with new SMDs.
Tricia Duncan
40:04
Ward Four, not “for”
Nick Keenan
40:29
I gnu what ewe ment.
Jerry Malitz
40:31
yes, same area for ward 4 in anc3/4g as now with some different smd boundaries
Mary Alice Levine
43:11
I did not collaborate on this map; nor I was aware that all other task force members were working on it.
Mike Rifer
43:13
That's because there's a literal forest that runs down the middle of it
Mary Alice Levine
45:09
I also disagree with Troy's comment that for every comment the task force received,from the public we got an opposite comment from another member of the public.
Connie Pendleton
50:47
Why is the Task Force not taking into account that the Cleveland Park residents between 34th and Wisconsin have long affiliated with Cleveland Park.
Barr Weiner
51:35
Please note an error in maps in our presentation Cathedral Close proposed to stay in 3C if create a 3A ANC as proposed. (Neighborhood issues with the close/schools, generally CP-facing). Will send a corrected set for the record.
Mike Rifer
52:31
I think it's interesting where the Task Force seems to have sought - and been responsive to - the input of affected community members, and where not.
Robin Halsband
54:40
Can Barr/CPCA respond to this question: It sounds like CP is already between ANCs. (Earlier comment about 80% of CP residents in one ANC). But Barr said it would be detrimental to the neighborhood to split CP between ANCs. But we already are split, no?
Robin Halsband
55:04
*already split between ANCs. Sorry for the typo
Katherine Samolyk
55:14
I definitely want to object to the separation of Foxhall village from the rest of Census Tract 8.02. It makes no sense. We have nothing in common with the rest of the proposed map
Colleen Crino
56:23
As a Foxhall Village Resident, we are geographically divided from Glover Park by Rock Creek Park, the French Embassy and GU, but we are geographically adjacent and connected to our neighbors in greater Foxhall Village below Reservoir Road, which are centered around the Hardy fields and the small "commercial corridor" of Jetties on Foxhall Road.
Tom Quinn
56:25
A big chunk of AU students live in the Berks though and they don't move.
Mary Alice Levine
57:31
The Task Force received an overwhelming number of comments from people who wanted CP people to stay together in the same ANC. There were only a few people who disagreed. To my knowledge, all Cleveland Parkers who commented and who live between Reno Road and Wisconsin say they want to stay in a CP ANC.
Mark Vershbow
57:40
Given how hard it is to see detail on these maps as presented via Zoom, it would be helpful if Troy or someone else could confirm (or deny) that everything west of Foxhall Road is included in the "MacArthur" ANC. Thank you
Tom Quinn
57:41
And Westover Place really doesn't make sense to attach to the Upper Wisconsin ANC.
Troy Kravitz
59:29
@Mark Vershbow: that is correct. The areas west of Foxhall Road are in the Mass-Mac ANC.
Mary Alice Levine
59:59
The public commenters from AU Park all expressed the view that AU Park be allowed to stay together.
Katherine Samolyk
01:00:12
the people living in census tract 8.02 object to maps that split out census tracts into to separate ANCs
Mary Alice Levine
01:01:22
The task force has never discussed publicly the comments made by residents of Foxhall.
Barr Weiner
01:01:32
There is a portion of area in CPCA map in 3F, but it is not as dramatic from a population perspective, and that portion of our map includes Hearst School that we appreciate 3F may want to retain as there are more students feeding into it from that ANC. To the east, along and below CT, is also a bit complex. Some folks may prefer to be in 3F due to proximity to Van Ness. In any case, they can readily be brought into ANC 3C without splitting about a third of the neighborhood off, which is also half of the historic district
Katherine Samolyk
01:02:23
your maps are splitting the lower Foxhall neigh borhoods into two separate ancs
Mary Alice Levine
01:02:58
And just in case you missed my comment the first time, I was not consulted on these maps.
Mark Vershbow
01:08:00
I don't necessarily have an opinion myself on this (yet). So, for now, just asking. Tto the extent that there is any division of Wesley Heights, has there been any consideration of the impact that would have on the effectiveness of the Wesley Heights Overlay District for zoning purposes? Thank you
Jonathan Bender
01:12:10
Have these proposals been published anywhere? I did see a proposal published with the lower Wisconsin ANC on it. Has this one been published?
Mary Alice Levine
01:16:45
With the public comments made to the task force, every neighborhood spoken with one voice with very few exceptions.
Mary Alice Levine
01:18:10
With the public comments made to the task force, every neighborhood has spoken with one voice with very few exceptions.
Jonathan Bender
01:19:15
Where can these proposals be viewed?
Mike Rifer
01:21:45
To reiterate what Bonnie just said, and to correct something that Jimmy said: He indicated that only 80% of the residents included in the Cleveland Park Citizens' Association's catchment area lived within the current ANC 3C. That's incorrect. It's actually 98%.Under the proposals Tory presented, only about 57% would.
Trudy Reeves
01:23:55
Can we see the maps with the streets clearly shown.
Nick Keenan
01:24:07
11 minutes before state of the union!
Nancy MacWood
01:24:46
I support Barr Weiner's proposal for keeping Cleveland Park in tact. I would ask the task force what problem you are trying to solve? I know none of the organizations in Cleveland Park requested the drastic proposal to split the neighborhood at 34th St. Also, the notion that 3C has ignored Wisconsin Ave. is wrong. The ANC spent enormous time on Cathedral Commons both during the PUD, during construction (monthly meetings) and during the order modification proceeding that benefited John Eaton teachers and small businesses not in the PUD area. We also spent enormous time on the W3 Family shelter and continue to participate in meetings to support the shelter. Lastly, no proposal has occupied more time than City Ridge, which is wholly within 3C. It is bordered by glover Archibold Park to the west and 3F is across Wisconsin Ave.
Roger Myers
01:24:51
Since our home was built in 1923, we have been a part of Cleveland Park. Why leaving Quebec Street and Reno Road of our old ANC does not make sense? Why?
Leslie A - DC
01:24:57
Agree with Mike Rifer’s post. Also, ask for more transparency in the process.
Barr Weiner
01:25:47
Why are "sacrifices" needed unless SMD reallocation is just not possible in an existing ANC? Other task forces are looking to communities to say what they want, rather than applying a construct not grounded in any ANC principles or instruction to task forces from the Council. What is the problem that the task force is trying to fix?
Nancy MacWood
01:26:58
I suggest that the task force post map proposals on Mary Cheh's website. If you google this redistricting task force you are not sent to the private site of the chair - Chevy Chase News. No resident would be able to figure out where to find the maps.
Jonathan Bender
01:27:42
I can't find them! Where are they? And when were they posted. Thanks.
Barr Weiner
01:27:54
Keeping Cheh's website current has been proposed, and Abigail is a terrific resource that could be used to make that happen
Robin Halsband
01:30:10
I’m a resident of Cleveland Park (ANC 3C). I haven’t made up my mind yet but I want to clarify that not all residents of CP are opposing the change. I also want to thank the volunteers on this task force who, I believe, have tried to be transparent on this. I’m offended by the assumption that they’re working in secret. These meetings have been well advertised at least on the CP listserve
Jonathan Bender
01:31:07
Abigail Mclean, where are the maps being discussed? When were they posted?
Barr Weiner
01:31:09
Here is the link to where the TF has been posting materials: https://chevychasenews.com/redistricting
Jonathan Bender
01:31:27
I'm on that site and can't find the maps.
WClarkson
01:31:33
Is Foxhall Village bigger than boundaries included in this map? https://planning.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/op/publication/attachments/11x17_Landscape_Foxhall%20Village.pdf
Colleen Crino
01:34:31
To @WClarkson, yes, our neighborhood is centered around Hardy Park, though the historic district of Foxhall Village is formally designated by that boundary. The entirety of our neighborhood stretches from Rock Creek Park to the Reservoir.
Nancy MacWood
01:35:25
I think it would be more useful to note whether the majority of a school boundary is within an ANC, as I believe they are.
Mike Rifer
01:37:21
I also believe that the apartment communities west of Wisconsin, particularly between Massachusetts and Van Ness, are also best served by being part of an ANC that includes all of Cleveland Park. Those residents deserve a say on matters affecting their elementary school… and their playground… and their library… and their fire station. They have a stake in what happens between Wisconsin and Connecticut as well. These proposals sever them from their legitimate interests as well.
Mike Rifer
01:38:15
I'm looking at it right now, Jimmy
Tom Quinn
01:38:34
ANC's really don't have an impact on school related issues.
Mike Rifer
01:39:14
We can compare maps, but you're incorrect. I'm looking at ESRI.
Barr Weiner
01:40:14
Those aren't the right numbers, Jimmy, we checked them too, think you're basing on census tracts that include non-Cleveland Park population.
Connie Pendleton
01:40:27
Tom- Nancy MacWood has been extremely helpful to the John Eaton community on issues relating to traffic, renovation, and playgrounds so that has not been my experience as a former Eaton parent
Tom Quinn
01:40:55
@Connie - that is because she is an effective commissioner - has nothing to do with the boundaries.
Connie Pendleton
01:41:06
She has been excellent.
Nancy MacWood
01:42:10
I have engaged with John Eaton for years on school issues from parking to rats.
WClarkson
01:43:58
Bob - Is this the letter you referenced regarding Foxhall Village potentially moving to Ward 2? https://foxhall.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/11.4.21-FCCA-Redistricting_Final.pdf
Katherine Samolyk
01:44:57
tricia Duncan does not speak for the people of the lower MacArthur Blvd/Foxhall rd neighborhood.
Katherine Samolyk
01:45:47
we will contest any efforts to separate our neighborhood into two different ANCs
Tom Quinn
01:45:50
Brian is right - the boundaries really aren't that big of a deal and I'm not sure what issue with DCPS would get an ANC great weight except for on a school development issue with a zoning matter and those are rare.
WClarkson
01:45:50
"Perhaps the modal sentiment expressed was that the Foxhall neighborhoodhas similarities with both Wards 2 and 3 but also has differences from both. We arein between.The results of the mail ballot and the votes obtained during the meeting showed that60% of the voters had a preference to move to Ward 2; 32% wanted to remain inWard 3; and 8% were undecided.
Abigail McLean (CM Cheh's Office)
01:46:50
ward3ancredistricting@gmail.com
Barr Weiner
01:47:46
Would you mind also posting the place to send comments if you are ok with them being publicly posted? Thank you
Abigail McLean (CM Cheh's Office)
01:48:18
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSck63ypDDcxFuvIRBXU5erD0wySlyKZZ17LjnoumBKkC9DW1Q/viewform
Abigail McLean (CM Cheh's Office)
01:49:01
The public comments we have received are available here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qCIvbs17KvMQJcyTU9coy61K7F8W9G-Ts3kz-RHf84A/edit?usp=sharing
Katherine Samolyk
01:49:56
Our neighborhood has clearly voiced the desire to remain intact as a neighborhood (the lower MacArthur Blvd/Foxhall Rd neighborhood). This includes our desire to remain in the same ANC--no matter what Troy, Tricia, or William Clarkson(who do not live in our neighborhood) may say
Abigail McLean (CM Cheh's Office)
01:50:33
The public comments are available at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qCIvbs17KvMQJcyTU9coy61K7F8W9G-Ts3kz-RHf84A/edit?usp=sharing
Abigail McLean (CM Cheh's Office)
01:51:30
https://chevychasenews.com/redistricting
Mary Alice Levine
01:54:57
The overwhelming number.....much more than 60%....of the Cleveland Park public comments have asked the TF not to not split up CP. I am talking about the comments that have come in to the TF email address.
Katherine Samolyk
01:57:56
I hope you actually listen to the people to the people in the lower MacArthur/Foxhall Rd neighborhood ----we have presented maps that outline preferred ANC SMDs for our neighborhood. We would like to find out how to voice our objections>?
Mike Rifer
01:58:09
Sorry but you really need to publish the actual maps that you're proposing to vote on for public comment. As one of the TF members just stated, the maps that have been presented to date were shared, even within these meetings, as "ideas" -- not proposals to table.
Katherine Samolyk
01:58:47
so you do not care what census tract 8.02 thinks?
WClarkson
01:59:00
Katherine- Don't your proposed maps break up Spring Valley?
Barr Weiner
01:59:15
There seems to be one basic question the task force needs to answer to the community. Why are the factors focused on more important than preserving neighborhoods. It seems that everything is being sacrificed to an artifice that the task force has not been told to rely upon, that seems to run against all the many legitimate concepts of community that are being presented to the task force for consideration. The ANC system was set up to protect neighborhoods. Frankly, with respect or its efforts, this task force seems to be doing the opposite without any compelling rationale. ANCs can vary widely in size and the Council is fine with that. Corridors have not been identified as a criterion for task forces to rely upon. The Council expects task forces to work with communities and resolve differences of opinions. Currently, this task force seems simply to be acknowledging and ignoring them. A vote should not be pursued without further consideration of community concerns. Thank you
Katherine Samolyk
01:59:22
not neccesarily
Katherine Samolyk
02:02:06
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not ignore our small neighborhood in the lower southwestern part of Ward 3. I have documented the conflicts of interests of Troy and Tricia regarding our boundaries. Where can people actually see the two maps being proposed.
WClarkson
02:03:42
What conflicts?
Katherine Samolyk
02:04:14
so are the anc boundaries you are voting on not open for discussion?
Katherine Samolyk
02:05:10
your "reasons" do not represent the interests of our neighborhood
Katherine Samolyk
02:05:28
how dare you?
Mike Rifer
02:05:46
I think it's really astonishing that you're voting to adopt ANC boundaries without ever having published a map.
Barr Weiner
02:06:17
This process is broken
Tom Quinn
02:07:24
These guys have a no win job but the only look we've had at what they voted on was in tonight's presentation?!
Mike Rifer
02:07:28
I'm sorry, I'd like CM Cheh's office to weigh in here. Is this the process that was envisioned? The Task Force finalizing ANC boundaries without ever publishing a map for Ward 3 residents to consider?
DuShawn
02:16:40
This is great as it will be most helpful in the upcoming lawsuit to shut down this map that some of the Task Force just voted to hustle through, ignoring resident input, which is based on the corruption of the Trump like gerrymandered map that Bob, Jimmy & Kamolika hijacked to continue their well known, and documented, personal vendetta against those Ward 3 residents who live in Cleveland Park and Glover Park.